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Payne/Pain family

Genealogy

I have two families with the name Payne. The spelling of the name is variable in some cases being spelt Pain and others Payne. The addition or omission of the letter E also provides variation.

The first family descends from Asten Payne born around 1775. The first record found for him is his marriage to Sarah Brown in May 1795 in Northolt. The spelling of his forename is somewhat strange, being spelt Asten. I believe it may well have been Austin but the local vicar or parish clerk had his own spelling variation. He is referred to as Austin on his burial record. His first name provides the possible link to the other family on the tree who seemed to derive from the Rickmansworth area of Hertfordshire and also Ruislip Middlesex.

John Payne born circa 1700 has a number of children born in Ruislip between the late 1720s and the 1740s the last being Austin pain in 1748. Austin is by no means a common forename so it would seem more than coincidence that two individuals within a generation would be named Austin. I suspect that Asten or Austin Pain born circa 1775 is the child of one of Austin's, born 1748, brothers. I have several possibilities where marriage and children are as yet untraced.

Until such time as the link is made the families remained separate on the tree. Having married in Northolt Aston payments descendants remain in the village for the next 100 years. This culminates in the marriage of Jesse Mary Payne to George Saunders and the birth of my grandmother.

The other line as stated starts with John circa 1702 Austin circa 1748 whose daughter Phyllis marries William Kirby, her granddaughter Jane marries John Saunders my grandmother's grandfather. It is at this point that the families unite and the probability of distant cousins marrying occurs.


Definition of the Name Pain

1. English from the Middle English given name Pain(e), Payn(e) and Old French Paien or Latin Paganus. The latin name is a deritive of Pagus an outlying village, and meant at first a rustic, then a civilian as opposed to a soldier, and finally a heathen (one not enrolled in the army of Christ). It was a popular name in the early middle ages.

2. Also a French occupational name for a baker of bread.